why have windows updates for build 5308 ctp been remov

Why have the Windows Updates (for Build 5308 CTP) been Removed?
P.S. Microsoft is really making me mad now!

Ummm, because 5308 CTP is not the latest Beta build ? Why would you expect discarded Beta builds to be supported ?
P.S. You are really making me mad now!
:-)

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Why have the Windows Updates (for Build 5308 CTP) been Removed?
P.S. Microsoft is really making me mad now!

It is the Latest Build Available to us MSDN Subscriber's!
"Juan T. Llibre" wrote in message

Ummm, because 5308 CTP is not the latest Beta build ? Why would you expect discarded Beta builds to be supported ?
P.S. You are really making me mad now!
:-)

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P.S. Microsoft is really making me mad now!

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"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

Why have the Windows Updates (for Build 5308 CTP) been Removed?
P.S. Microsoft is really making me mad now!

Well, I would have to agree with Kevin, Build 5342 of Vista is not a CTP quality release, just an interim build showing snap shot of the progress the Windows Team is making. Also, the build is only available in Ultimate, 5308 was available in other SKUs such as Home Basic, Premium and Business. So, bugs filed under those would still be validated if they are unique to the SKU. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Juan T. Llibre" wrote in message

Ummm, because 5308 CTP is not the latest Beta build ? Why would you expect discarded Beta builds to be supported ?
P.S. You are really making me mad now!
:-)

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P.S. Microsoft is really making me mad now!

Hold on... Start > Control Panel > Windows Update... that updates Windows Defender definitions (badly) but it still did it. Did anyone elses Windows Update work?
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--- Original message follows --- "Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

It is the Latest Build Available to us MSDN Subscriber's!
"Juan T. Llibre" wrote in message Ummm, because 5308 CTP is not the latest Beta build ? Why would you expect discarded Beta builds to be supported ?
P.S. You are really making me mad now!
:-)

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P.S. Microsoft is really making me mad now!

And the Beta process is an ongoing process.
As an MSDN subscriber, you have limited Beta access "rights". Obsolete Beta maintenance is not one of them.
PArticipating in the Technical Beta is not the same as getting limited access through MSDN.

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It is the Latest Build Available to us MSDN Subscriber's!
"Juan T. Llibre" wrote in message Ummm, because 5308 CTP is not the latest Beta build ? Why would you expect discarded Beta builds to be supported ?
P.S. You are really making me mad now!
:-)

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P.S. Microsoft is really making me mad now!

I am in the BETA Program, its just features such as Upgrade Anytime, or the Aero Express themes are unique in some of the Vista SKU's. Those would still be validated. There is no closing date for bugs in previous builds, unless it designated dead code or won't fix. Bugs can also be reactivated with a comment. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Juan T. Llibre" wrote in message

bugs filed under those would still be validated if they are unique to the SKU
Isn't there a "closing date" for bugs in previous builds ?
I don't see the sense in maintaining a bug reporting mechanism open for previous builds, once a newer build is available.
Either a bug was reported for the previous build, and it was fixed, or the bug is still present in the current build, and should be reported for the current build.
Handling that any other way would be an absolute waste of time.
Bottom line, though : MSDN doesn't manage the Beta program.
Anything found at MSDN should be considered frosting on the MSDN subscription cake, and not an "acquired Beta right".
If you want full Beta Program participation...you should be participating in the Beta.



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"Juan T. Llibre" wrote in message Ummm, because 5308 CTP is not the latest Beta build ? Why would you expect discarded Beta builds to be supported ?
P.S. You are really making me mad now!
:-)

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P.S. Microsoft is really making me mad now!

re:

I am in the BETA Program

My comments were directed at the OP, who isn't in the Beta program. I was referring strictly to the Beta frosting of the MSDN cake.
re:

There is no closing date for bugs in previous builds, unless it designated dead code or won't fix.

I'm not sure I follow you.
If a bug is marked as "won't fix", there's a resolution for it.
I think you are referring to a "closing date" for resolution. I was referring to a "closing date" for new bug reports.
After a new build is distributed, new bugs are filed against the *current* version, right ?
re:

Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com

Shouldn't that be "Windows Connected", instead of "Windows Connect" ?
;-)

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I am in the BETA Program, its just features such as Upgrade Anytime, or the Aero Express themes are unique in some of the Vista SKU's. Those would still be validated. There is no closing date for bugs in previous builds, unless it designated dead code or won't fix. Bugs can also be reactivated with a comment. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Juan T. Llibre" wrote in message bugs filed under those would still be validated if they are unique to the SKU
Isn't there a "closing date" for bugs in previous builds ?
I don't see the sense in maintaining a bug reporting mechanism open for previous builds, once a newer build is available.
Either a bug was reported for the previous build, and it was fixed, or the bug is still present in the current build, and should be reported for the current build.
Handling that any other way would be an absolute waste of time.
Bottom line, though : MSDN doesn't manage the Beta program.
Anything found at MSDN should be considered frosting on the MSDN subscription cake, and not an "acquired Beta right".
If you want full Beta Program participation...you should be participating in the Beta.



Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/ asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/ foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/ =================================== "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Well, I would have to agree with Kevin, Build 5342 of Vista is not a CTP quality release, just an interim build showing snap shot of the progress the Windows Team is making. Also, the build is only available in Ultimate, 5308 was available in other SKUs such as Home Basic, Premium and Business. So, bugs filed under those would still be validated if they are unique to the SKU. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Juan T. Llibre" wrote in message Ummm, because 5308 CTP is not the latest Beta build ? Why would you expect discarded Beta builds to be supported ?
P.S. You are really making me mad now!
:-)

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/ asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/ foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/ =================================== "Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Why have the Windows Updates (for Build 5308 CTP) been Removed?
P.S. Microsoft is really making me mad now!

I am confused by the entire process, especially with this build not being a CTP. I need to get more info, when I do, I will report back.
re:

Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com

Shouldn't that be "Windows Connected", instead of "Windows Connect" ?
Josh changed it on me. :) Thanks -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Juan T. Llibre" wrote in message

re: I am in the BETA Program
My comments were directed at the OP, who isn't in the Beta program. I was referring strictly to the Beta frosting of the MSDN cake.
re: There is no closing date for bugs in previous builds, unless it designated dead code or won't fix.
I'm not sure I follow you.
If a bug is marked as "won't fix", there's a resolution for it.
I think you are referring to a "closing date" for resolution. I was referring to a "closing date" for new bug reports.
After a new build is distributed, new bugs are filed against the *current* version, right ?
re: Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Shouldn't that be "Windows Connected", instead of "Windows Connect" ?
;-)

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/ asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/ foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/ =================================== "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I am in the BETA Program, its just features such as Upgrade Anytime, or the Aero Express themes are unique in some of the Vista SKU's. Those would still be validated. There is no closing date for bugs in previous builds, unless it designated dead code or won't fix. Bugs can also be reactivated with a comment. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Juan T. Llibre" wrote in message bugs filed under those would still be validated if they are unique to the SKU
Isn't there a "closing date" for bugs in previous builds ?
I don't see the sense in maintaining a bug reporting mechanism open for previous builds, once a newer build is available.
Either a bug was reported for the previous build, and it was fixed, or the bug is still present in the current build, and should be reported for the current build.
Handling that any other way would be an absolute waste of time.
Bottom line, though : MSDN doesn't manage the Beta program.
Anything found at MSDN should be considered frosting on the MSDN subscription cake, and not an "acquired Beta right".
If you want full Beta Program participation...you should be participating in the Beta.



Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/ asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/ foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/ =================================== "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Well, I would have to agree with Kevin, Build 5342 of Vista is not a CTP quality release, just an interim build showing snap shot of the progress the Windows Team is making. Also, the build is only available in Ultimate, 5308 was available in other SKUs such as Home Basic, Premium and Business. So, bugs filed under those would still be validated if they are unique to the SKU. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Juan T. Llibre" wrote in message Ummm, because 5308 CTP is not the latest Beta build ? Why would you expect discarded Beta builds to be supported ?
P.S. You are really making me mad now!
:-)

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/ asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/ foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/ =================================== "Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Why have the Windows Updates (for Build 5308 CTP) been Removed?
P.S. Microsoft is really making me mad now!

did not...
Josh
:P
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I am confused by the entire process, especially with this build not being a CTP. I need to get more info, when I do, I will report back.
re: Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Shouldn't that be "Windows Connected", instead of "Windows Connect" ?
Josh changed it on me. :) Thanks -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Juan T. Llibre" wrote in message re: I am in the BETA Program
My comments were directed at the OP, who isn't in the Beta program. I was referring strictly to the Beta frosting of the MSDN cake.
re: There is no closing date for bugs in previous builds, unless it designated dead code or won't fix.
I'm not sure I follow you.
If a bug is marked as "won't fix", there's a resolution for it.
I think you are referring to a "closing date" for resolution. I was referring to a "closing date" for new bug reports.
After a new build is distributed, new bugs are filed against the *current* version, right ?
re: Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Shouldn't that be "Windows Connected", instead of "Windows Connect" ?
;-)

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/ asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/ foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/ =================================== "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I am in the BETA Program, its just features such as Upgrade Anytime, or the Aero Express themes are unique in some of the Vista SKU's. Those would still be validated. There is no closing date for bugs in previous builds, unless it designated dead code or won't fix. Bugs can also be reactivated with a comment. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Juan T. Llibre" wrote in message bugs filed under those would still be validated if they are unique to the SKU
Isn't there a "closing date" for bugs in previous builds ?
I don't see the sense in maintaining a bug reporting mechanism open for previous builds, once a newer build is available.
Either a bug was reported for the previous build, and it was fixed, or the bug is still present in the current build, and should be reported for the current build.
Handling that any other way would be an absolute waste of time.
Bottom line, though : MSDN doesn't manage the Beta program.
Anything found at MSDN should be considered frosting on the MSDN subscription cake, and not an "acquired Beta right".
If you want full Beta Program participation...you should be participating in the Beta.



Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/ asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/ foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/ =================================== "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Well, I would have to agree with Kevin, Build 5342 of Vista is not a CTP quality release, just an interim build showing snap shot of the progress the Windows Team is making. Also, the build is only available in Ultimate, 5308 was available in other SKUs such as Home Basic, Premium and Business. So, bugs filed under those would still be validated if they are unique to the SKU. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Juan T. Llibre" wrote in message Ummm, because 5308 CTP is not the latest Beta build ? Why would you expect discarded Beta builds to be supported ?
P.S. You are really making me mad now!
:-)

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P.S. Microsoft is really making me mad now!

What updates do you believe are removed? I can work this from my end if they also affect us. Since 5308 is infact the currently supported build from Miscrosoft.
josh http://windowsconnected.com
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

Why have the Windows Updates (for Build 5308 CTP) been Removed?
P.S. Microsoft is really making me mad now!

Could you be any less helpful? Really, why are you here if you just want to bag on someone?
josh http://windowsconnected.com
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"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

Why have the Windows Updates (for Build 5308 CTP) been Removed?
P.S. Microsoft is really making me mad now!